Diskussion:Niederlande: Unterschied zwischen den Versionen

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Könnte das eine sinnige Aufteilung der niederländischen Reviere sein?  
Könnte das eine sinnige Aufteilung der niederländischen Reviere sein?  
* gelb: Oosterschelde
* NL1 - rötlich: niederländische Nordseeküste
* violett: Zeeland südlich Westserschelde, Rhein-Maas-Delta, Amsterdam, Nordholland, Utrecht, Nordbrabant, Limburg, Geldernland (teilw.)
* NL2 - gelb: Oosterschelde
* rot: IJsselmeer, Markermeer, Randmeren
* NL3 - violett: Zeeland südlich Westserschelde, Rhein-Maas-Delta, Amsterdam, Nordholland, Utrecht, Nordbrabant, Limburg, Geldernland (teilw.)
* blau: Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe, Flevoland, Overijssel, Gelderland (teilw.)
* NL4 - rot: IJsselmeer, Markermeer, Randmeren
* grün: Waddenzee
* NL5 - grün: Waddenzee
* rötlich: niederländische Nordseeküste
* NL6 - blau: Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe, Flevoland, Overijssel, Gelderland (teilw.)
 
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Zweck ist es eine Aufteilung zu finden, die in diesem Artikel gut in einer Karte (und nicht in mehreren) darstellbar ist. Und die muss sich natürlich in nachfolgenden Artikeln wiederfinden (können).
Bin auf eure Rückmeldungen gespannt. --[[Benutzer:Axel|Axel]] ([[Benutzer Diskussion:Axel|Diskussion]]) 22:05, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)
 
:Aus meiner Sicht sieht es okay aus. Die Übersicht ist auch sehr gut, macht Sinn!
:Viele Grüße, --[[Benutzer:Peter|Peter]] ([[Benutzer Diskussion:Peter|Diskussion]]) 22:25, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)
 
Hier noch ein paar meiner Überlegungen zur Aufteilung:
* NL1 Nordseeküste: Westerschelde ist derzeit mit einbezogen. Frage: gehören Emsmündung und Dollart mit dazu (oder doch zum Wattenmeer)?
* NL2 gehört Haringvliet mit dazu? Hollandsch Diep?
* NL3 westliche und südliche Provinzen: Ist hier eine weitere Aufteilung sinnvoll? Könnte mir vorstellen, dass man etwa Amsterdam und Provinz Nordholland ausgelagern könnte (mir fehlen in dieser Gegend leider Erfahrungen - im wahrsten Sinn des Wortes). Macht die IJssel hierin Sinn (habe ich hier eher aus hydrologischen Gründen mit eingeschlossen)?
* NL4 IJsselmeer etc.: machen die Randmeren hier Sinn oder gehölren sie eher zu den östlichen Niederlanden?
* NL5 Waddenzee: siehe Frage zu NL1.
* NL6 (Nord-)Östliche Provinzen: Ähnlich wie NL3 - sollten beispielsweise die Gewässer in Friesland abgetrennt werden (hier ist sicherlich das wassertouristische Zentrum von NE-Niederlande, aber Grenzen z. B. nach Groningen sind nur schwer zu bestimmen)?
Schöne Grüße --[[Benutzer:Axel|Axel]] ([[Benutzer Diskussion:Axel|Diskussion]]) 23:42, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)
 
::Hier ein '''zweiter Vorschlag''' (ich finde ihn besser, aber immer noch sind eine ganze Reihe Fragen offen):  


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Zur besseren Übersicht das Overlay ''OSM OSeaM CEMT'' ausschalten.  
:Gruß --[[Benutzer:Axel|Axel]] ([[Benutzer Diskussion:Axel|Diskussion]]) 19:34, 12. Okt. 2014 (CEST)


Zweck ist es eine Aufteilung zu finden, die in diesem Artikel gut in einer Karte (und nicht in mehreren) darstellbar ist. Und die muss sich natürlich in nachfolgenden Artikeln wiederfinden (können).  
::Nachtrag zur letzten Gliederung - hier ein paar grundsätzliche Überlegungen:
Bin auf eure Rückmeldungen gespannt. --[[Benutzer:Axel|Axel]] ([[Benutzer Diskussion:Axel|Diskussion]]) 22:05, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)
::*"Delta" und "Ijsselmeer/Randmeren" sind eigene Bereiche, weil sie waasertouristisch herausragen.
::*"Waddenzee" sowie "Nordseeküste" sind eigene Bereiche durch die revierspezifischen Anforderungen.
::*Die restlichen Bereiche habe ich ein wenig angelehnt an die Aufteilungen, die man bei einigen niederländischen Publikationen findet, die wiederum sich oftmals an den Provinzgrenzen orientieren. In den südlichen Bereich habe ich die großen Wasserarme des Rheindeltas (Waal und Lek) einbezogen.
::An Fragen stellen sich (nur eine kleine Auswahl...):
::*Soll die Zufahrt zu Ems und Dollard zur Waddenzee zählen oder wie die Westerschelde zur Norseeküste?
::*Sollen die Randmeren beim IJsselmeer mit unterkommen oder besser bei Niederlande-Ost?
::*Wo soll die Grenze zwischen West und Ost gezogen werden (derzeit ist das die Provinzgrenze von Utrecht und Geldern)?
::*Sollten Schelde-Rijnkanaal sowie Krammer und Volkerakt zum Delta gehören?
::*und überhaupt...
::Diese Fragen richten sich vor allem an die Reviererfahrenen unter uns.  
::Beste Grüße --[[Benutzer:Axel|Axel]] ([[Benutzer Diskussion:Axel|Diskussion]]) 00:28, 13. Okt. 2014 (CEST)

Aktuelle Version vom 12. Oktober 2014, 23:28 Uhr

Beliebtheit wegen westlichen Winden?

Mir wird nicht klar, wie die vorherrschende Windrichtung mit der Beliebtheit zusammenhängen kann ("Die überwiegend westlichen Winde tragen zur Beliebtheit diese Reviere bei.") Was genau ist damit gemeint? Vielleicht kann der Satz etwas umformuliert werden. --Peter 13:44, 16. Apr 2006 (CEST)

Gründe für die Beliebtheit der Niederlande gibt es viele...die westlichen Winde sind es sicher nicht! Danke Boreas für den Hinweis.--Herwart 04:45, 3. Apr. 2010 (UTC)

Ist mir auch seit Jahren nicht klar. Gemeint ist wahrscheinlich, dass die Windverhältnisse zum Segeln recht geeignet sind. Starkwind ist im Sommer eher selten, oftmals gibt es günstige Westwindlagen mit 3-5 Beaufort. Habe mir eine Wind-Statistik aber noch nicht genau angesehen. Hm, wie hänge ich hier meinen Benutzernamen mit an? (snowcrash, 04.04.2010)

Zum Thema Benutzernamen anhängen: einfach "--~~~~" anhängen. Frohe Ostern, --Peter 12:59, 4. Apr. 2010 (UTC)

Gliederung der niederländischen Reviere

Könnte das eine sinnige Aufteilung der niederländischen Reviere sein?

  • NL1 - rötlich: niederländische Nordseeküste
  • NL2 - gelb: Oosterschelde
  • NL3 - violett: Zeeland südlich Westserschelde, Rhein-Maas-Delta, Amsterdam, Nordholland, Utrecht, Nordbrabant, Limburg, Geldernland (teilw.)
  • NL4 - rot: IJsselmeer, Markermeer, Randmeren
  • NL5 - grün: Waddenzee
  • NL6 - blau: Friesland, Groningen, Drenthe, Flevoland, Overijssel, Gelderland (teilw.)
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Zweck ist es eine Aufteilung zu finden, die in diesem Artikel gut in einer Karte (und nicht in mehreren) darstellbar ist. Und die muss sich natürlich in nachfolgenden Artikeln wiederfinden (können). Bin auf eure Rückmeldungen gespannt. --Axel (Diskussion) 22:05, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)

Aus meiner Sicht sieht es okay aus. Die Übersicht ist auch sehr gut, macht Sinn!
Viele Grüße, --Peter (Diskussion) 22:25, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)

Hier noch ein paar meiner Überlegungen zur Aufteilung:

  • NL1 Nordseeküste: Westerschelde ist derzeit mit einbezogen. Frage: gehören Emsmündung und Dollart mit dazu (oder doch zum Wattenmeer)?
  • NL2 gehört Haringvliet mit dazu? Hollandsch Diep?
  • NL3 westliche und südliche Provinzen: Ist hier eine weitere Aufteilung sinnvoll? Könnte mir vorstellen, dass man etwa Amsterdam und Provinz Nordholland ausgelagern könnte (mir fehlen in dieser Gegend leider Erfahrungen - im wahrsten Sinn des Wortes). Macht die IJssel hierin Sinn (habe ich hier eher aus hydrologischen Gründen mit eingeschlossen)?
  • NL4 IJsselmeer etc.: machen die Randmeren hier Sinn oder gehölren sie eher zu den östlichen Niederlanden?
  • NL5 Waddenzee: siehe Frage zu NL1.
  • NL6 (Nord-)Östliche Provinzen: Ähnlich wie NL3 - sollten beispielsweise die Gewässer in Friesland abgetrennt werden (hier ist sicherlich das wassertouristische Zentrum von NE-Niederlande, aber Grenzen z. B. nach Groningen sind nur schwer zu bestimmen)?

Schöne Grüße --Axel (Diskussion) 23:42, 1. Okt. 2014 (CEST)

Hier ein zweiter Vorschlag (ich finde ihn besser, aber immer noch sind eine ganze Reihe Fragen offen):
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Gruß --Axel (Diskussion) 19:34, 12. Okt. 2014 (CEST)
Nachtrag zur letzten Gliederung - hier ein paar grundsätzliche Überlegungen:
  • "Delta" und "Ijsselmeer/Randmeren" sind eigene Bereiche, weil sie waasertouristisch herausragen.
  • "Waddenzee" sowie "Nordseeküste" sind eigene Bereiche durch die revierspezifischen Anforderungen.
  • Die restlichen Bereiche habe ich ein wenig angelehnt an die Aufteilungen, die man bei einigen niederländischen Publikationen findet, die wiederum sich oftmals an den Provinzgrenzen orientieren. In den südlichen Bereich habe ich die großen Wasserarme des Rheindeltas (Waal und Lek) einbezogen.
An Fragen stellen sich (nur eine kleine Auswahl...):
  • Soll die Zufahrt zu Ems und Dollard zur Waddenzee zählen oder wie die Westerschelde zur Norseeküste?
  • Sollen die Randmeren beim IJsselmeer mit unterkommen oder besser bei Niederlande-Ost?
  • Wo soll die Grenze zwischen West und Ost gezogen werden (derzeit ist das die Provinzgrenze von Utrecht und Geldern)?
  • Sollten Schelde-Rijnkanaal sowie Krammer und Volkerakt zum Delta gehören?
  • und überhaupt...
Diese Fragen richten sich vor allem an die Reviererfahrenen unter uns.
Beste Grüße --Axel (Diskussion) 00:28, 13. Okt. 2014 (CEST)